Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Re: hahaha

VICTOR: couldn't get through the second page...

maybe wehatethiswebcomic.blogspot.com? (guest blogger jordan fish)

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Jordan Fish > wrote:
also something a little more.... hmmmm... yes: http://www.viceland.com/int/v16n12/htdocs/comics-sammy-harkham-269.php?country=

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jordan Fish wrote:

 OWEN: http://www2.warnerbros.com/spacejam/movie/jam.htm

VICTOR: press box shuttle



VICTOR: hahahaha



OWEN: i think it's real.  

 OWEN: wait the porn or the website?

OWEN: oh.

JORDAN: The Space Jam porn.

JORDAN: ...Site


OWEN: hat wasn't my favorite "true chubbo"
also this sammy harkam comic sucks.
Anonymous, on Mar 16, 2010 wrote:
Yeah. S’good.
Anonymous, on Jan 16, 2010 wrote:
I really appreciated this piece. I enjoyed the artistic style and the story which I found engrossing.
Paolo, on Jan 10, 2010 wrote:
New Haven is cool and all, but this story was boring.
Anonymous, on Jan 11, 2010 wrote:
only made it to the second page and im still mad I wasted my time on that.
Anonymous, on Jan 6, 2010 wrote:
Anonymous, on Jan 3, 2010 wrote:
There’s really no point in this story. What is it supposed to express, that the main character is a douchebag? Clowes, Tomine or Carver does this kinda stuff a lot better.
Anonymous, on Dec 23, 2009 wrote:
shit noah baumbach try hard

BOB: harvey pekar is probably rolling in his grave that he dug for himself in his front yard and which he slept in every day from 4am-4pm.

BOB: oh wait, he's actually dead. he is buried in Cleveland Heights, next to Eliot Ness.

BOB: still, I bet he and Ness are having a good chuckle about this one.

VICTOR: eliot ness hated web comics


VICTOR: wait what?

JORDAN: Comments wait what is real.

BOB: for real?


OWEN: Kevin Costner loves web comics.

BOB: epic fail.

OWEN: Real comments from vice comics.
OWEN: Bob "Failblog" Weisz 
OWEN: Francis "Failblog" Starlite
JORDAN: Failbong
JORDAN: FrailWhale
BOB: you wrote "Failbong" at 4:20 pm. epic win.
OWEN: are you in a different time zone?
BOB: Timezone Cowboy
BOB: Central Time Zone, cowgirl. 420 every second of the day. 
BOB: I've actually never smoked weed.
BOB: were you in chicago, or just wanting to freak out there?
nb: im not anywhere near chicago. but yeah, it's ill(inois)
JORDAN: Yeah no i was just google imaging it but yeah later B
BOB: later!
VICTOR: "francis 'failblog' starlite" made me "LOL"

Monday, August 16, 2010

we hate this web comic?

BOB: Yeah, I hate everything about this.

VICTOR: Filled with a rage I can't explain. Or can I?

OWEN: Is this a comic?  This is stupid.  I think probably most people are just "fuckwads" (what is a fuckwad?) and the Internet just gives us a forum on which to express our "fuckwad" thoughts.

Anyway, explain your rage.  I'm confused.

OWEN: Oh he makes penny arcade.  This dude sucks.

 VICTOR: I actually just glanced at this and sent it to y'all. I barely read or
thought about it at all.

Something about "hypertext" / all perception as reference ... ?

What would Marshall Mcluhan say?  (wwmms)

Same vague rage as always I guess.


I'm actually not even stoned on weed. YET!

Naw but really i gotta go leave the Internet now. Sorry to blog and run.

VICTOR: Oh wait I thought I had to be somewhere ten minutes ago but it just
got bumped to 6.


 OWEN: Are you stoned on weed yet? I don't really have anything to say.  Most of the people who act like assholes on the Internet aren't even doing it anonymously.  I think we need to all just realize that the Internet is no longer a separate thing that is not "real" and stop making inane observations about it.  But I guess we'd all be out of a job then.

BOB: This is my job?

VICTOR: Wait, Owen, you mean you haven't been paying Bob anything out of the massive amounts of advertising revenue we make from this site? 

OWEN: Bob is still working on a "trial basis."  I thought that was clear.

Thursday, March 11, 2010

james kochalka is making a video game

Victor: i don't really like playing video games. i really like them in theory and but i usually suck at them in practice. i like looking at them and moving a character around in a video game world but i never liked the stress of trying to win them. the only video game i ever beat by myself were donkey kong country, earthworm jim 2 and star fox. but when i was trying to beat them i would always have a couple of those shitty one or two hours of frustratingly trying to do something hella stupid like jump over a snake or some bullshit. i know some people say those frustrating moments are important in video games because they lend a greater sense of accomplishment when you get to the end but that's on some classical narrative arc shit that i find silly. i don't play video games to feel like i accomplished something because winning a video game accomplishes nothing. most of my anger in those "why can't i just jump over this fucking snake" moments is also thinking "why am i getting so angry about not being able to jump over this snake? there a million more useful things i could be spending my time doing. like what? oh shit, i'm in middle school and life is meaningless!" i've always found the best aspect of playing video games is simply feeling like you're somewhere else for a while. i'm pretty sure the first time i ever heard "moonlight sonata" was on the level of earthworm jim 2 where you turn into a blind cave salamander and have to swim through an intestinal tract. i was like twelve years old and it "BLEW MY MIND" because i was "AN IDIOT." i'm really feeling combining capital letters with quotation marks.

but katamari damacy is probably the only video game i've played that i felt really lived up to my expectations of the artistic potential of video games. and i didn't even beat it, my roommate did and i just played it with no time limit because i just dug rolling the ball around and "hanging out in" katamari damacy. it was pleasant and i for some reason felt like i was somehow learning something about myself and the world (Y'ALL EVER SMOKE WEED?). james kochalka actually once posted a link on his blog to this essay on "world building" in literature/art/games here: http://www.hicksville.co.nz/PerfectPlanet.htm that kind of speaks on that in interesting ways.

but yeah, maybe this "glorkian warrior" game will be good? dude does talk about his ds a lot. pause? i guess he did say he's "very confident" he could make a good game...

also, this is a great wikipedia page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[shit, blogger doesn't let you rick roll]


Victor: naw yeah i still think it's funny with youtube preview.  it's kind of funnier. but on the real i just spent the last half hour looking at that wikipedia page and remembering all the amazingly wack games i'd play at my friend's house or we'd rent from blockbuster or cop wholesale at toy liquidators:

then we moved to alameda and we got a super nintendo and i would rent other wack shit from video maniacs across from the produce stand where i would later lose my virginity:

Victor: i would've rickroll'd all of those but i'm lazy.

Victor: video maniacs is now a multi-level parking lot for a multiplex theater. paul's produce is now dan's produce.

Owen: yeah, i hated video games when i was a kid.  basically i didn't have any video games so i would go to my friends house and play, die immediately, and then watch them play for like two hours and then my mom would pick me up and i'd be like, "they suck" and then i'd get in trouble for not having fun.  but it's kind of the same thing as not enjoying poker, or scrabble, i just really never care about winning, but i have had good experiences with video games, like blade runner on the computer was definitely my favorite game ever, for sort of the same reason as you were saying victor, it's the closest to really inhabiting a different world as i've ever had in a game, because there is a narrative and you can "win the game" but it's less clear cut than in games like mario or street fighter or whatever.  you can also just spend hours wandering around talking to people and doing random shit too.  i also really liked the spiderman video game that came out after spider man 2 because the "web slinging" was actually really fun, you could "web sling" all around new york, i think i did that for like two hours. 

i think the james kochalka game might be cool.  i'll probably play the online version but not buy it.  also kickstarter is hell of crazy.  people will give money to anyone if they have good graphic design.

for a while i thought that video games were actually really cool, but i don't know about that.  i saw some video game art here in shanghai, and it was pretty much the same shit as everyone else who ever does video game art, like nintendo games hacked together, except with like communist shit in it. 

i did see some awesome art by liu dao, who i thought was  a dude, but is actually a collective of dudes, which is kind of weird but whatever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Dao

i mean, it's sort of annoying because really i only liked two of the pieces, and now i don't know if they were created by one person or not, but i guess that doesn't really matter.  any way it was like interactivy video gamey LED shit.  which is so cool!

i really want to play katamari damacy though.  what system is that on?  we are dorks.  hey you guys want to go to barcade? on like march 15 or so?

Victor: hahahaha barcade. i think katamari damacy is on playstation? playstation 2?  you realize you are a white man in asia blogging about videogames? CLASSIC NERD!

naw but yeah when i saw the commercial for that spiderman game i figured if i ever played it i would just swing around for two hours and not fight crime. just like if i were the real spiderman. naw i think i would probably "fight crime" (whatever that means) if i were the real spiderman. or maybe just save people from fires. maybe i would rob a bank too. but if i'm fake spiderman why go through all the effort? i'll just swing around. 

i also really dig playing grand theft auto with hella cheat codes for that same aimless wandering effect.

but yeah, i think i'm feeling this liu dao shit.

you peep that cory archangel joint at the whitney biennial a few years back?

i really dug it at the time though i was bad at explaining why.  i think i still am.

there's also this:

and this:

and this:


[shoot, blocked in japan for some reason]

Bob: i cant tell you how much i loved video games as a kid, and as a young adult, and as a somewhat-functioning adult (which is what i call college years), but i don't think i ever got the jazz from winning as most kids did, and in fact, when i felt i was nearing completion of a game, i would purposefully meander and lose lives and play levels over and over just to keep the experience going. i havent played a game in years (except katamari), so this might be the least biased about video games that i've ever been, and if i had to say now, i would figure that for me, growing up, it was totally about that mind-displacement experience. the only thing i loved growing up were movies and video games and comic books and action figures (Y'ALL EVER SMOKE NERD?), all of which were about immersing oneself in a completely different world – and of all of those, video games was the best, for obvious reasons.

I also will admit that I grew up in a household where mental acuity and puzzle-solving were treated as a more admirable quality than anything physical or social, so video games were often an even better outlet for me. having a meaningless goal within a distinct set of rules with effectively zero consequences – which is the basis of every single video game – was exactly what my lil bob brain craved. when the novelty of the mind-displacement experience of a certain game had worn off, i could always fall back on completing that shit for completion's sake.

that being said, katamari is by far the best game i've ever played, i think because it knows and recognizes that that displacement is all video games are about. it knows all ya wanna do affect the world around you, and it does that in the most tactile way video games can allow.

which is why that slinging shit in spiderman was so awesome, and i definitely did that for a couple hours in a best buy once.

im down with archangel stuff definitely, because his shit points out that it's not just straight interactivity that people crave (if they did then his games would be "fun") and it was way ahead on that 8bit lofi haxx0r shit, but im sad that his style's sorta become a trend/aesthetic (though the liu shit is kinda dope) which just sucks cause he made his point so clearly and simply that it don't need to be said again. basically im just annoyed that no video game art has been any better or more adventurous than shit he made 8 years ago.

oh though i did hear about a video that Penn Jillette made called "Road to Reno" or something where you just drive a bus from Vegas to Reno, and it goes real time, so you just drive down an empty road for 8 hours (probably looks a lot like that archangel piece), and when you get there, you get 1 point. And they made so that the bus drifted to the right every so often, so you couldn't just tape down the accelerator button and walk away, you had to sit there and drive it. i thought that was pretty dope. any art that says "You want fun? Fuck You" i fucking love. like that movie Funny Games. and the act of talking to girls.

anyway, is this a blog?

Victor: talking to girls is the most dangerous game.

Bob: see, and some real games were way better video game art than anything today:

Owen: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, life without youtube sucks.

on the other hand, i just watched my 6 year old cousin play lego star wars wii game for like 2 hours (he's still going) and it was totally a lot like the conversation we've been having about video games, like he's a little too young to actually understand what's going (young bob weisz playing video games is hilarious btw) but he's just killing shit with a light saber. (sabre?) and he's completely immersed in the game, like when i ask him if he wants breakfast (he's been up since 6am btw, when he woke me up at 7 he was like "i've been waiting for an hour", LITTLE KIDS ARE INSANE) he doesn't even respond (kind of like victor checking his email at the studio sometimes) and i had to physically move his head so that his eyes were facing me before he even realized i was saying something to him, and he was like, "i'm not hungy" because he's only been playing wii for 2 hours so far. also, my 10 year old cousin actually refers to me as "cuz" like exclusively.

Tuesday, March 9, 2010

guest comic week

Owen: so i think there is something called guest comic week going on or something, at least it seems like a lot of people are doing guest comics for other web comics.  anyway, i that's how i found this comic because the guy did a guest comic for some other comic that we've made fun before.

Owen: i don't have anything particularly negative to say about it, except that the joke is a pun.

Bob: good pun, and again, being mean to dying people because they're dying is funny.

[i dont know if i ever made that point before but the 'again' worked really well for cadence]

this chick is hot

Cat takes a bath.

Owen: her comic is not good but for some reason i kind of like it

her blog: http://mariakonstantinov.tumblr.com

Victor: what? her comic is hella funny, and gets funnier as you scroll down.
she is so mean to the cat. that's funny. and i read it before i saw
how hot she was so i'm pretty sure it's not just because she's hot
(though she is a "TOTAL BABE"). or maybe the fact that you even said
she was hot had already affected how i read the comic?  or maybe the
fact that the comic is funny makes her hotter?  like how the chick in
telepathe is cute but becomes a "TOTAL BABE" when she's singing and
doing "COOL FILLS" on the drum machine?  maybe also part of why she
seems so hot to me is cause the lady she draws in the comic isn't
particularly hot so i expected her to be not that hot but then so like
in comparison she's hot?  i just said "hot" heckof times.  why does
this lady draw knees as circles?  i guess that's ok. do i only think
that's ok because she's hot? no, i actually think that's ok.

Victor: yoooo also weird is how her stuff:
http://cargocollective.com/mariak#166615/SIGNS looks a lot like my
ex-girlfriend's stuff: http://kathymacleod.com/ who also drew comics
about her cat. WHAT UP, KATHY. do you still read this blog? my bad for
having an internet crush on your internet soul twin.  who's my
internet soul twin? momus? naw, that was a joke. kind of an inside
joke. kind of a regular joke.

Bob: i got to this email convo by clicking my "newer" button so didnt read the subject line before reading her comic and i can say, as a dude reading the comic without knowing she was a TOTAL BOMBSHELL RUSSO-CANADIAN HOTTIE 2.0, that cat shit was indeed hell of funny. BUT I MIGHT HAVE A BIAS MYSELF as a former cat master who spent a lot of free time making sure my cat felt sad and abused and unwanted. so like, i got the whole "ITS SO TRUE" tickles in my brain, and that felt good. Then I saw she was a HOTTIE 2.0 and that tickled me another way. and yeah her stuff is totally reminiscent of kathy's shit. though when i first read that comment i thought owen was writing it and was like "whoa owen dated kathy too?" and wondered if that was a weird tension between you two on tour and on this blog and maybe I should reread every entry on wehatethiswebcomic.blogspot.com to see if there is some underlying tension written into your conversations. but then it was you victor, and now i have nothing more to say.


for some reason, www.saddestcat.com is blocked in china. 

bob, you read your email by clicking the "newer" button?  that's insane.

i'll reread saddest cat when i get to japan.  maybe i'll think it's a good webcomic.  we've gotten kind of bad at hating on things.  i'll have to find some shitty bull shit to read.

Bob: yeah dude, i was reading an "older" email before your "newer" one, WHAT OF IT

also you're going to japan? THATS INSANE.

you gotta collect some good wacky bass-ackwards physical webcomics while youre there.

also i heard they have dirty panties for sale in vending machines.

Victor: you realize you're a white man in asia blogging about web comics, right? CLASSIC NERD!

Owen: oh god, i'm going to kill myself now.


The Prognosis

Victor: this is funny

Monday, March 8, 2010

do you think jokes about canadians are funny?

Victor: not really. didn't we write like three reviews about this comic already though?

Owen: three?  really?  maybe.  nevermind!

Bob: i heard the closing ceremonies of the vancouver olympics were a tacky celebration of all the famous stereotypes of canadians, like william shatner singing on top of a giant mounties hat, and maple leaves playing hockey with some mooses, and so on. i wonder if they were trying to finally put an end to those impossibly stale jokes by doing them way bigger and weirder than we've done it (outside of that South Park song at the oscars), like the weird kid at the end of the 80s movie who realizes and embraces his weirdness and shows his true self to his love/school/parents and then none of them make fun of him for that weird stuff any more. why don't we like canadians again? they aight in my book.

also yeah this comic is aight (dot blogspot dot com). yeah it's making fun of canadians, but it's a little absurdist (=hah), and the punchline is pretty well done (=haha). and yeah this is like the third time i seen this dude on this blog.



Victor: i think someone in the comments from the last one we did (the st. francis one) said that the artist is a lady.

Owen: have we really done this three times?  i wasn't even paying attention.  i heard about that canadian olympics thing though.  it sounds totally insane.  i wish i could watch youtube right now.  also, i met a canadian guy the other day, who lives in shanghai, and he was like so bummed that he missed the olympics in canada, he said it was all that he ever wanted when he was a kid growing up in vancouver.  but then he moved to asia or something.



Owen: he said kyoto was the canada of asia (i'm going to kyoto on sat) but he doesn't even live there.  he lives in the new jersey of asia.

Victor: this guy sounds like he sucks